others using NF server for recruiting

this is just a quick post while in-game. a follow up will be added.


a player named Thirsty started active recruiting for a new clan while in the NF server. i decided that was innappropriate and muted everyone, then told them explicitly NOT to use the server chat and text for recruiting purposes. they all agreed and then continued to do so aftER i unmuted everyone. So I muted them again. NF Habbit was a part of this and was acting to transfer info to the new clan people and using the server to give out Vent info for the new clan.


Kuni left the server, then came back in and snuck in the info for their new server in the chat and then left again, very sneakily because he knEW I had already dissallowed ANy recruiting use of tHE NF server.

i found this to be blatant disreguard not only of an admin, but of server rules after having been warned not to recruit in our server. since he chose to do it sneaky and the result was players being pulled out of our server, i banned him for it.

we were making a team for scrimming. how is that a clan? do u not lsiten to what people say? and habbit was supposed to be in the scrim, but since he doesnt have steam ( internet cafe), the only way to tell him was through the chat, and the server was scrimming server only, pasword protected, if u can read or listen correctly....so hmm u banend me, thirsty, samurai, what about habbit? he was part of it? and even one of your own was part of it. m not saying who it was though

What was said today was only to do a 5v5 scrimmage, that is why we needed the server to hand out certain details and pieces of information to join ventrilo, the match server, due to certain members inabilities to employ steam. Now i do not know why i was banned after I asked you, therrin, to simply "clarify" why kuni was banned because i was not on the server... i was busy getting the scrimmage on MIRC... then i say this ...
*DEAD* dignitas Samura1 : why is rectuing a problem? this is not a clan server

and boom ban

that does not deserve a ban... sorry
i believe that that is abusing the admin powers that you possess, although I am not here to doubt them and acknowledge them with my full respect, but seriously, this is unecessary and most of it was said jokingly, so thanks.....

Samura1

I banned Kuni for sneaking in the info into chat after I REPEATEDLY said that we don't want the NF server used for recruiting/advertising. I said that if you guys wanna do what you want to do, fine, arrange it over steam, but I didnt want you taking up the NF servers voice and text chat to do it.

First I muted the lot of you, and gagged some others for not picking it up so quickly. Then after everyone agreed to not talk about it in the server, you guys kept it up, so I muted you all again. For a good 5-8 mins the entire server chatter was taken up with you all talking about this and arranging it and calling it a clan, and calling it scrim and I actually didnt really mind at first untill I realized that 1) it was completely blocking out normal server communication on the vocal chat, and 2) it was turning into active recruiting for a group.

If you want to pull NF players out of an NF server to scrim somewhere else, do it over steam, dont tie up our own server to push a non-NF agenda which takes our players somewhere else. And....respect the admins. When you've been warned two or three times over, dont do this:

[TE] kuni : put into console for ouor scrim connect 69.162.80.82:27026; password priv
[TE] kuni : hurry
[TE] kuni left the game (Disconnect by user.)

Saying hurry because he KNEW I had already dissallowed server chat/text for what you guys were doing, he KNEW I had already mentioned it to you guys several times, and he KNEW that he wanted you all to "hurry" because I was starting to be a real dick about not being paid any attention to.

So he posts the info, then up and leaves as quickly as possible. He had logged in to post that just minutes before.


As for Samura1....

*DEAD* dignitas Samura1 : why is rectuing a problem? this is not a clan server

You're kidding right?????? You dont see what the problem is with this? (not ONLY after repeated admonitions not to keep up the chatter about the whole thing).

noob fusion's server is our online community's server. Albeit we dont use the word "clan", but it's mincing words at that point. NF is OUR server. We dont want recruiting taking place in our server. Simple enough.

Secondly.... by the time I banned Samura1, I had already talked to Achilles (Jon) on the phone, and he gave me the go ahead. Samura1 was one of the pretty vocal ones passing info back and forth even after I asked for it to stop. Then to question our server rules in open chat instead of coming here to do it, as well as arguing after the topic was decided on, really pissed me off. (yes....I was angry)
At that point I was told to "ban anyone involved".

The only reason Habbit wasnt banned, is because when I said to cut it out....he stopped. He realized where the line was, and didnt cross it again.
Not that I'm overly happy with his involvement, but that's not up to me. He knows I was upset, but he was bright enough not to keep toeing the line over and over and over and over again also.

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i believe that that is abusing the admin powers that you possess, although I am not here to doubt them and acknowledge them with my full respect,

That.... is directly contradictory of itself.

Therrin wrote:

[TE] kuni : put into console for ouor scrim connect 69.162.80.82:27026; password priv
[TE] kuni : hurry
[TE] kuni left the game (Disconnect by user.)

Saying hurry because he KNEW I had already dissallowed server chat/text for what you guys were doing, he KNEW I had already mentioned it to you guys several times, and he KNEW that he wanted you all to "hurry" because I was starting to be a real dick about not being paid any attention to.

uhh no if u read maybe 2 lines earlier, you wouldve seen that it was to HABBIT and WE COULDNT DO IT OVER STEAM because HABBIT DOES NOT HAVE STEAM. You really are not aware of anything are you therrin? and he need to hurry because the scrim had started and he wasnt in. the only way i could have told him was through that

so you WERE pulling players out of the NF server?
And yes, I can HEAR just fine...and I heard "clan" quite a bit. If you want to start an NF scrim team, we have the website set up for that, tying up the entire server isnt the place for it.

Him not having steam isnt my problem. The base problem is the issue of using NF bandwidth to sanction and organize outside-of-server, non-NF activity. And the server owners dont want that happening.

'Nuff said. Achilles said he doesnt want "recruiting" whether for "clan" or "scrim" means AT ALL. You'll have to take that up with him.

the gist of this is that we just wanted to do a mere 5 v5 scrimmage and needed players interested. It is however quite funny that I just came to the observation that all you guys with the tag NF stand for noobfusion, lol man am i dumb. I never passed around information regarding a clan, only information about the scrimmage we were about to engage in in the coming hour at that time.

so can you please take this into consideration, and our intentions were surely not to drag away Noobfusion players for longterm, just to do a silly stupid scrimmage and if i knew that that was a violation, although I am not quite sure how it is, then i wouldn't have done it

so am I banned for ever? what is the timeframe?

thanks

samura1

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and if i knew that that was a violation, although I am not quite sure how it is

Because we say it is. That should be pretty clear.

You'll have to take up the ban with Achilles at this point. By the time I banned you I was following orders.
*shrugs*

He'll have to read this all and decide.

how long is the ban? lemme guess its beyond permanent?

getting people for a quick 5on5 is not active recruiting... sorry

lol.

TICK TOCK... ACHILLES PLS HURRY !!!! :::::::))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

No clan or community is allowed to advertise their clan on our servers. I do NOT believe that it was ONLY used to set a scrim team. There will be a investigation going on please give us 24 hours to inform you back.


Thank you

No offense ... But seriously investigate ? Is this fucking C.S.I... You guys are not seriously considering wasting ur precious time on a matter so trivial... Don't u got better things to do like play with the skin around your penis and wait for some fluid to go out or u get my drift.... Making a huge deal out of nothing... Whatever guys ... Do what makes your life seem like it has purpose and investigate the shit out of this serious case... I got a big piece of evidence that I am hiding from you guys .... It's therrins shit admin abilities... Cy@-????

LOL I'm jk... But u are seriously wasting your time

Hi.

5. No mic/chat spamming. If players do spam, ask them not to. Second time, kick. 3rd time, ban for an hour.

Subject to this rule there was no warning given, therrin did not explain the rules AFTER he muted. Without warning.
After we got unmuted/gaged i respectivitly told him that in my opinion he could have handled it alot better by clearly explaining the rules and giving us a warning, i said i would have stopped if he had have done so and this whole suitation could have been avoided.

"Active clan recuiting" - constantly going back and forth between multipule servers asking people to join there "Clan" this continues over a peroid of days to months.

Sure we did the wrong and spammed mics abit. but again this could have been resolved, Therrin could haev muted us /gaged us and told us that you guys need to take this somewere else. I just got muted/gaged and nobody even told me why. personaly with all dew respect i find this as to be poor admin skills and a lack of communication.

As to do with the "NF" people i feel that it is unjust not to Punnish one of your own simply becuase they are apart of the clan.
If we got banned i see no reason why a person who had the same/more involvement in it as i did not get banned.


Comming back to the first rule.

5. No mic/chat spamming. If players do spam, ask them not to. Second time, kick. 3rd time, ban for an hour.

Therrin has clearly abused his admin powers and has not abided by the rules set on this very forum that i have personally read under rules/admin rules.

As shown above we were banned for "active rectuiting" and i have clearly explained that there is a HUGE difference between what we did ( simply asking people if they want to scrim" and Active recuiting (read above)

As i see it we were treated unfairly and the admin wasnt communicating well enough to resolve the problem, this shouldent be at our expence.

Thats another 3 very good players that play on your server HEAPS that wont be on there anymore and im sure awhole lot of people will miss us. HECK KUNI ALMOST GOT ADMIN.


As the rules of the internet state - SS OR IT DIDENT HAPPEN.


And if this doesnt resolve the problem i dont see what will. Mabye i will be forced to use drastic measures.

I was not there was that whole thing happened, but I was there just before. I know thirsty was trying to get a scrim together so I would assume that that is what is was doing. Kuni and thirsty were cool players and I don't think that they would have been actively recruting for a clan.

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And if this doesnt resolve the problem i dont see what will. Mabye i will be forced to use drastic measures.

That'd be like... you guys getting together to spam the server with connect requests to try to crash the server and lag people down right? Nice try.


You guys are arguing against this, then at the same time saying that us "investigating" bans is a total waste of time, you're STILL disrespecting me, and then you go and spam the server.

You've gotta be kidding me. It's sad that you guys have enough time on your hands to throw such a hissy fit.


(oh, and you'll notice that the "rules" you're quoting are called "guides", not "rules". when you couple just about any offense with ignoring/disrespecting an admin then things just escalate. That's pretty much true on any server.
NF actually has the "court system" in order for you to argue your point, but repeated disrespect while doing so isn't overly bright if you're actually trying to get somewhere. You want to make the rules, go ahead, start your own server)

or it would be like me having RCON pword.

GG

man its hard not to be discrespectiful man.

https://noobfusion.darkbb.com/rules-f12/rules-for-admins-t151.htm

Lets take another look at that

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RULES FOR ADMINS

ARE YOU NOT AN ADMIN THERRIN YOU ARE NOT EXEMPT LAST TIME I CHECKED

Kthanksbye

OMG IT SAYS RULES

and i dont see how i have been disrespectiful i think your just trying to get people to feel sorry for you becuase its odvious i have taken all measures to not be disrespectiful.

Thirsty and kuni, if you guys just waited for other admin to review what's going on here, you'll be unbanned eventually. but after what you guys did yesterday, flooding the server and trying to crash it, is not a good idea. you guys are not even close to crashing it. so the perma banned will stay and other server connected to NF, will submit your steamID and IP address to them, so you can't play in their server too.

Sorry about this, but you just gave us a reason to do this.

E x A m P L e *

What samur1 quoted was from this link actually:
https://noobfusion.darkbb.com/rules-f12/banlenght-guides-t256.htm

Which are GUIDES not RULES. Get the facts straight before you keep bashing me.